Aikido Not in MKF!!!

Devin Willis wrote on a board " ...The Tokyo police and other LE Units in Japan developed and use systems in about 1947 and has evolved with the times into the "police way" or "Keisatsujutsu" and their "arresting way" or "Taiho jutsu"

There are weapons/tool arts included, such as Keibo Soho (police methods with a police stick ), Tokushu Keibo Soho (police methods with the collapsible baton, e.g. Asp), Hojo-Jutsu (police methods of mechanical restraint with rope, handcuffs, etc.) Keijo-Jutsu (police application of jojutsu, combat with a stick), and Hojutsu (firearms training)..."

Great resource

Aikido and Law Enforcement on Security & Law Enforcement Interest Group from FightingArts.com

Did David Lee study Aikido?

LA Downtown

Devin Willis did train in Yoshinkan Aikido and repeatedly practiced some 150 basic techniques until he could get exactly the correct execution of each movement or technique. Mastering each and every movement and would lead us in these movements Althoughth , Yoshinkan does not study any weapon forms and only practices with weapons as part of the open hand techniques particularly in the areas of defense movements against weapon bearing opponents. Mr Devin Willis modified movements
to reflect modern weapons

Not Akido, but Shuai Chaio and Chin NA

According to Devin Willis

".....Master David Lee was taught Shuai Chaio, not Akido It also had entailed Chin Na. also, we were taught to also had strike as we to enter. In Shuai Chaio the main goal is to throw the opponent hard, at a very akward angles, and possibly breaking something along the way of the throw.

I was taught by my Instructor that Shuai-chiao was used by the bodyguards to the chinese emporers.

Our "drills"consited of full contact sparing , with the understanding a takedown was considered any part
of the body, other than the feet, touching the ground. You only got points for a clean throw, you had to remain on your feet and couldn't be dragged down as well.

Also, once the two competitors "locked up" or made physical contact to initiate/repel, resist, we were given 4 count, if noone had been thrown the competitors were
seperated thus you had to go for the quick clean throw.

Many of the throws are similar to Judo, but sacracfice techniques are not used in sport Shuai Jiao (since whoever hits the ground first loses points). It is also illegal in sport Shuai Jiao to throw opponents with techniques that lock the joints.However , used Chin na and worked with joint locks.."

Read:

Shuai Chaio and Chin NA In MKF April 19, 2008

Seize the Opportunity with Chin Na: Part 1 By Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming




Shuai Chaio And Chin Na

Aikido for over 30 years

I’ve trained aikido for over 30 years and also, with Jorge Obergon And Devin for aboutt 5 years. I’ve trained under shihan who explicitly say that basic aikido technique does not work without kuzushi, and who spend the majority of their time teaching how to make aikido effective. If you don’t think aikido works go train somewhere else or train harder, expand your view.

I read the following that Mr. Willis wrote

"..There is a difference between martial arts (such as Aikido) and Defensive Tactics- I love them both and think both have uses. Let me share my humble opinion.

Defensive.Tactics- Must Emphasize speed, simplicity and effectiveness. can not take years to perfect.It MUST focus is on real world self-defense (real cases of violence against agents or officers) empty-hand tactics, striking tactics, handcuffing, baton tactics, Person searches, falling and ground tactics, edged weapon , Tear gas tactics, handgun retention or handgun disarming, armed attacks etc

Some exampes are located at - Defensive tactics courses

Certified Defensive Tactics Courses Modern Warrior


Martial Arts- Which I love as well;0) but takes time to learn and practice, most of us while practicing M.A do not worry about a handgun being strapped to our hip or ankle.

We do not worry about rolling around on the ground with a guy hyped on drugs reaching for the gun. While trying to punch you in the face.

With that said I do think after years of study and working out in the field you will learn quickly what will work and what will not and become effective at protecting yourself.


More Resources and Interestining Reading:

Use of Force Tactics and No lethal Weapons, paper published by Americans for Effective in Law Enforcement, in 1988.

Non-lethal Weapons: A Survey of Officers, published by Defensive Tactics Newsletter in Lakeland, FL: ISC Division of Wellness, in April 1993, vol. II, number 4;
USE-OF-FORCE TACTICS AND NON-LETHAL WEAPONRY

The truth is , sadly most Officers and Agents must pay out of their own pocket to get great training. Most departments do not have it in the budget".




Do other arts get you to an “effective” point quicker then MKF? If 6 months of BJJ better than 6 months of aikido? Possibly.
does anyone know if Devin officallly trained in aikido thru Master Lee?